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I have nothing useful to say about current events, just the powerful urge to clutch my head and moan. So let's just turn our eyes to Mexico, all right?

About a decade after the worst of the fighting of the Mexican Revolution ended, a religious war broke out. The Catholic Church went on strike -- that is, the Church refused to offer any sacraments at all for about 30 months -- in response to the anticlerical policies of the new, Revolutionary government (which were frequently rapacious and sometimes vulgar and cruel); some of the Catholic hierarchy in Mexico also organized violent resistance to the government's new cultural initiatives (which in practice meant raping and murdering schoolteachers.) It was an ugly little struggle, lasting almost three years and leaving perhaps twenty thousand dead.

Making peace between church and state, and keeping it for the subsequent eighty years, required that both sides give up their most extreme positions. But it also meant that the topic of the Cristero War became pretty much unmentionable in public. Historians know about it, of course; and I think it comes up in very briefly in high-school level history classes too. It's been almost a secreto a voces, an open secret, one of those things in Mexican public life that everyone knows but that everyone claims nobody knows.

Well, until this year's Miss Universe contest anyway.

Check this out. Or here's a similar story but without pictures and in English.

Yes, this year's Mexican contestant for the Miss Universe crown planned to attend the contest in a gown covered in the bloodiest images from the Cristero conflict. And sequins. She managed to offend nearly everyone in Mexico, secular and religious, leftwing and right, which is unusual in a beauty queen, and almost even admirable. So now she's editing the gown, apparently.

But the whole story is just so ... so Mexican, you know? Because, you know, some nations deal with the historical memory of civil war and religious conflict by having even bloodier wars later. Some nations practice ethnic cleansing. Some nations obsessively police their borders to prevent contamination by the ever-lurking threat of [insert menance here]. But not Mexico. In Mexico, they just take that unbearable memory and turn it into telenovelas and historietas and the tackiest possible outfits.

Seriously, I admire Mexican culture so much for doing precisely this, and doing it so well.

Date: 2007-04-18 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ptyx.livejournal.com
What an interesting story!

We Brazilians just shrug or make a joke. We're not noble at all. We're pragmatic. (But this is a big generalisation.)

Date: 2007-04-19 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Well, I am generalizing about Mexico too, after all. But yes, I think a peaceful country is one in which the population generally rejects nobility in favor of a joke and a shrug -- which is why Brazil is so much better a place to live than the former Yugoslavia.

Date: 2007-04-18 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterthunder.livejournal.com
¡Ella ciertamente tiene un senso de estillo muy diferente! Y es dificil a molesta todos de los personas en un país, muy impresivo. :D

Date: 2007-04-19 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Pues si, no es facil a dar molestias a todo el mundo a la vez. Sobre todo en Mexico, un pais que tiene la fortuna (o sea, mal fortuna) de ser poblado por una poblacion con ideas muy diversas.

Date: 2007-04-20 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterthunder.livejournal.com
Sobre todo en Mexico, un pais que tiene la fortuna (o sea, mal fortuna) de ser poblado por una poblacion con ideas muy diversas.

Pienso que esté es verdad en todos de los países, no solo en Mexico.

¿Es de Mexico?

Date: 2007-04-18 01:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elgoose.livejournal.com
Wow. Just wow.

Date: 2007-04-18 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] norah.livejournal.com
The ammo belt is the perfect touch...

O.O

Awesome. In a way I can't quite relate to, but awesome nonetheless.

Date: 2007-04-19 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
I kind of covet the ammo belt, myself.

Date: 2007-04-19 04:03 am (UTC)
cordelia_v: my default icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] cordelia_v
Best. Subject Line. Evah.

Seriously.

And . . . no sacraments for 30 months?

*jaw drops, and shudders*

Jeeeeeeeeesus. I mean, hit us believers where we live, how 'bout it? How could they reconcile that with being, you know, priests?

Awful. And of course, much worse for the schoolteachers. And yes, what a marvelous way of airing laundry (with sequins).

Date: 2007-04-19 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Oh yeah, actually a bit more than that. Plus by the end of the war there weren't many priests left in Mexico (the gov't deported all of them who weren't Mexican citizens.) It's usually nearly impossible to convey to students who aren't Catholics the gravity of this, and completely impossible to explain to the Catholics why the church would do such a thing. But the revolutionary government was threatening to teach sex education courses in the brand-new public schools, and to use chapels for military barracks, and to legalize divorce. And the new constitution (in theory) dispossessed the Church completely.

And right at the beginning of the war -- well, first, a group of believers organized by a nun assasinated President Obregon, and then in retaliation a revolutionary went and SHOT THE VIRGIN OF GUADALUPE. Seriously: he went and put a bullet into the cloak into which She had miraculously imprinted her image back in the 1500s.

Oh Mexico, where surrealism is just par for the course. And yet also, consider the global context. It was the 1920s, you know? Compared to what was going on the brand-new Soviet Union, this was nothing.

Date: 2007-04-19 04:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cordelia_v
It's usually nearly impossible to convey to students who aren't Catholics the gravity of this, and completely impossible to explain to the Catholics why the church would do such a thing.

Oh, I can just imagine. There are moments where you, as the translator-for-the-past, just stand there in front of the audience, simply stumped and thinking, "now how the hell am I going to make them understand how this happened>"

Over 2 years? I mean. I'd be having to sneak across the border regularly to get my fix. There must have been huge border crossings (or influxes into regions that still had priests) during Holy Week, those years. Pilgrimages.


Can you rec me a monograph on this, in English? I need to know more.

Date: 2007-04-19 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Oh yes, there was quite a lot of border crossing among people who were close to one border or another. Also, I believe priests offered sacraments to the Cristeros -- the people who were actually fighting the gov't. But nobody else could marry or die or be born or anything.

The standard monograph on this is available in varying lengths in French (shortest), Spanish (longest, but most recently updated) and English (now somewhat out of date and rather stiffly translated if memory serves, but hey, English.) It's by Jean Meyer, and the title in Spanish is La Cristiada -- so probably called something like The Cristero War. I had to read it for comps, lo these many years ago.

Mexican history is the best history. Somebody SHOT THE VIRGIN!

Date: 2007-04-19 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
And I should say, this is one reason why I am so very very grateful to have friends who are Catholic. Without them I might never have understood what was at stake in this conflict.

Also, if you want something a little more fun to read than Meyer, though a whole lot less reliable, Graham Greene's novel The Power and the Glory is about this period in Mexico (and, obviously, very much on the side of the Church.)

Date: 2007-04-19 04:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cordelia_v
Well, I had always assumed that anyone who does Mexican history has Catholic friends. I can't imagine how you couldn't, to be honest.

I have to read that novel, obviously.

Just the thought of being cut off for 30 months. I mean, like losing air. And you'd be so haunted by the idea that what if you died during this period, cut off from last rites, and not having made confession or taken communion in months. And you couldn't get your baby baptised. And no communion, when you're used to getting it regularly.

Just . . . well, it's like losing oxygen. I can't imagine what the Church was thinking. They must have gone to a very, very bad place.

And someone SHOT THE VIRGIN?

Mexican history wins. Absolutely.

Maybe it's time for a gender historian to revisit this set of events, given that you say the standard work is a rather old one?

Date: 2007-04-19 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
I had always assumed that anyone who does Mexican history has Catholic friends. I can't imagine how you couldn't, to be honest.

It depends what you mean by Catholic. The most religious person I know in Mexico? Her parents are Spaniards. Most of my Mexican friends are academics and atheist/agnostic. Even the ones associated with the big Catholic university. So to get a sense of what the loss of the sacrements would mean to ordinary Catholics in the 1920s in Mexico I had to turn to experiences with Catholics mostly outside of Mexico who I knew through solidarity-movement activities or whatever.

Catholic countries are different, you know?

Maybe it's time for a gender historian to revisit this set of events, given that you say the standard work is a rather old one?

I haven't read the spiffy new updated version of the monograph (2nd ed. en espanol) but it does exist. A gender angle would be interesting but I think that problem is being approached piecemeal by historians of women (mostly) who specialize in the regions -- Guadelajara above all -- where the revolt was concentrated, or in education (those murdered schoolteachers) or radical women. It's definitely not for me, though. Not enough of the action took place in Mexico City!

I do want, someday, to get an article out of the Virgin-assassination story, though ...

Date: 2007-04-19 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blacksquirrel.livejournal.com
I've been meaning to e-mail you - does the fact that i've not heard from Berkshire mean the panel wasn't picked up?

Date: 2007-04-19 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Nah, not unless someone you know HAS heard back from them. All it means is that they haven't gotten around to telling us anything yet. The conference is still a year away, so that's not too bad ...

Date: 2007-04-22 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blacksquirrel.livejournal.com
Oh my - thank you for this, because as busy as I've been I completely overlooked the fact that the conference is scheduled for 200*8* rather than 2007. Um, oooops. That's totally fine for me, but I just completely failed to notice that. So, no reason for me to be concerned about that for *quite* awhile.

Thank you!

Date: 2007-04-19 04:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cordelia_v
I haven't heard yet. In the past, when I had a panel accepted, I was never notified before May, however. So, I'd say the jury's still out.

Date: 2007-04-22 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blacksquirrel.livejournal.com
As I said to lolaraincoat above, this was me totally mis-reading the date - I thought it was this May rather than next May. Ooops.

So, I won't worry about that for awhile.

Thanks!

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