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Hello! I'm not going to respond any further to comments on this post. The most relevant information -- which I think can't be found elsewhere -- is now collected in short form in this post here. Thanks to all who contributed information and links. This was extremely interesting, and I'm going to bed now.

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[10 AM EST]
Good morning everyone! This post has evolved into a listing of journals affected by Strikeoutgate. Please comment if you know of any that are not on the lists here. I may add related information and commentary as time allows and the spirit moves me, or I may not. But all I really want to do here is come up with as complete and accurate a listing as I can. I am categorizing the journals by their intent (primarily intended to support child abuse and pedophiles, or not) so please advise me if I've gotten that wrong. Thanks for all your help so far, and thanks in advance for your further assistance!


Two consecutive posts on my f'list complain that Livejournal just purged the community [livejournal.com profile] pornish_pixies and two journals which were part of an entirely unrelated role-playing game, [livejournal.com profile] lightning_war, for Terms-of-Service reasons. (See [livejournal.com profile] ataniell93's recent unlocked post for the Lightning War story and two recent unlocked posts by [livejournal.com profile] femmequixotic for the Pornish Pixies mess and LJ's explanation to her of why they permanently suspended the community.)

This is worrying. Anyone else heard anything about these or related incidents? Who else out there has gone missing?

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eta.1 Two communities that requested not to be named here were deleted by mods, not suspended by lj. The same goes for [livejournal.com profile] sirry (now moved to GreatestJournal), [livejournal.com profile] hp_incest, [livejournal.com profile] hpslash, [livejournal.com profile] grave_robbers and [livejournal.com profile] chimeracafe too.

eta.1.a The same might be true for [livejournal.com profile] yaoi_drabbles, [livejournal.com profile] demoncest, [livejournal.com profile] batwingcurls, [livejournal.com profile] cpop_slash, [livejournal.com profile] love_or_death and [livejournal.com profile] sg1_rps -- that is, they recently have been deleted by mods, for reasons that may possibly be related to this current mess, but they were not suspended by LJ and I don't know if the deletion had anything to do with Strikeoutgate or not.

eta.1.a.i Turns out SG1-RPS was deleted by its mod several months ago for unrelated reasons. Also [livejournal.com profile] dirtydrabble's mod is about to delete the comm for reasons unrelated to Strikeoutgate, and the mod of [livejournal.com profile] ppettigrew deleted the comm last month for reasons unrelated to Strikeoutgate..

eta.2 Two people so far from a couple of my friends' flists also suspended: [livejournal.com profile] yaoi_slut and [livejournal.com profile] lynntownsend. Also suspended and apparently part of fannish circles: [livejournal.com profile] onewavebreaks, [livejournal.com profile] malakijr, [livejournal.com profile] athena2693, [livejournal.com profile] pushtyber, [livejournal.com profile] joeykaiba and [livejournal.com profile] omg_a_terrorist.

eta.2.b And here is a list of 22 other suspended individual journals, all belonging to members of ageplay communities (some of whom may have been pedophiles, but some apparently harmless consenting-adult fetishists.) Scroll down; the list is the first comment you'll see.

eta.2.c Besides the two RPG character journals from [livejournal.com profile] lightning_war which were suspended, and another journal from a different HP RPG which was deleted by the mod as a precaution, a charcter journal for a Hikaru no Go character, [livejournal.com profile] ogata, was also suspended.

eta.5 Hey, might this be related to the current fight over deletion between the US govt and MySpace? Probably not, at least not directly. It's much more likely to be LJ's response to the ... well, see ETA #6.

eta.6 Liz Marcs has a fascinating post about her exchange with an entity which seems to be devoted to internet purification, and which is probably related to all this, over here. The sequel to Liz Marcs' post is here. The apparent miscreants disclaim responsibilty. Hmmm.

eta.6.a The organization (or person calling herself an organization?) with which Liz Marcs was communicating now says that LJ "has shut down hundreds of ... sites" at their behest (link redacted because their site has mucho malware, reportedly.) I'm not seeing anything like those numbers. What or who have I missed?

eta.6.b And see also this website for another group pushing LJ to delete journals. This one seems better organized and more legit, but still confused about the difference between fannish/literary expressions and social, political or material support for child abuse.


eta.7 these were fannish/literary comms:

[livejournal.com profile] shota suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] wonkaslash suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] brokenboys suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] resident_pervs suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] lolita07 (a Spanish site for the discussion of the Nabokov novel!) suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] lol_porn suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] heterocest suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] artsnarry suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] incestories suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] boysfuckingboys suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] afamilyaffair suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] sbrb_blackcest suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] pornish_pixies suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] master_badtouch suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] gimmehellopro suspended.
[livejournal.com profile] riddle_torture suspended.


these were, as far as I can tell, comms intended primarily to support and/or encourage pedophilia:

[livejournal.com profile] childlove suspended - this one was a genuine pedophile site, rather than literary or fannish.
[livejournal.com profile] incestuouslove suspended. What kind of comm was this? A genuine pedophile comm.
[livejournal.com profile] disgusting_lust suspended. What kind of comm was this? Another genuine pedophile site.
[livejournal.com profile] little_children suspended. Pedophiles. About a third of its 68 members either were suspended or deleted their journals.
[livejournal.com profile] ljincest suspended. Pedophiles.
And fifteen other comms supporting pedophilia, rape and/or bestiality, which are listed here, in a comment from intrepid researcher [livejournal.com profile] iverin whose stomach and google-fu are both very strong.


and these comms were ... I can't tell. Anybody?

[livejournal.com profile] ____loli_lovin
[livejournal.com profile] violentboylove
[livejournal.com profile] fetishconfess
[livejournal.com profile] rape_porn
[livejournal.com profile] ageplaywithsex
[livejournal.com profile] razorblade_jinx

eta.8 [livejournal.com profile] heidi8 helpfully dug up the DNS information of the group that's probably responsible for some or all of this; it's here. (I very rudely linked to Heidi's post when it was locked, and she very graciously unlocked it. Thanks Heidi!)

eta.9 Does this seem like something Mina de Malfois would make up, or is that just me?

eta.10 [livejournal.com profile] jamoche is keeping track of responses from LJ Abuse to owners of deleted comms/journals over here. You can post anonymously there and responses are screened.

eta.11 [livejournal.com profile] dorrie6 has started a comm on Greatestjournal (friendslocked) for discussion of all this: Fandomtossed is here.

eta.13 [livejournal.com profile] bookshop would like mods of suspended comms and individuals whose journals were suspended to get in touch with her or with [livejournal.com profile] femmequixotic - they're organizing a collective response by the affected parties, I believe. See also this post on [livejournal.com profile] fandom_lawyers

eta.14 Many posters have been linking to this blog's list of suspended LJs. It's not complete and not entirely accurate, but it's got a lot that aren't up here. Lots of names, too, at this post on [livejournal.com profile] innocence_jihad, the point of which seems to be to demonstrate that support communities for survivors of incest and rape seem not to have been suspended in the big purge.

Date: 2007-05-29 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ataniell93.livejournal.com
Also, here is the text of the email from LJ Abuse:

Dear LiveJournal user boot2thehead,

Your journal and/or its associated profile or interests has been reported to us as containing material which expresses interest in, solicits, or encourages illegal activity. As this is a violation of both LiveJournal's Terms of Service and United States law, we have permanently suspended the journal.

If we become aware of any additional violations of LiveJournal's policies or United States laws in the future, we reserve the right to permanently
suspend any other journals you may have and terminate your account without warning.

Regards,
Cassie
LiveJournal Abuse Team

Date: 2007-05-29 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Thank you for passing this along. It's awful, but it's so interesting, at the same time, you know?

Date: 2007-05-29 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabularasa.livejournal.com
Our very own Madame Dufarge.

Date: 2007-05-29 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
If only I knew how to knit!

But no, HTML coding will have to suffice.

Date: 2007-05-29 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabularasa.livejournal.com
Damn it, I know better than to go straight to your journal to comment -- the yellow is excruciating.

I just now opened up the f-list to discover the explosion, and oh my God. Wow. No idea all this was going on. Can't say I'm really surprised, though. Granted, I don't know anything about any of this, but it seems a curious coincidence, this happening right around the same time as this FanLib thing. Makes me wonder if these "Warriors of Innocence" and groups like them might not be designed to scarify fanwriters and artists so much that they rush into the embrace of a "safe haven" like FanLib. They could be acting as beaters, you know.

Just saying. Not that I'm paranoid, or anything.

Date: 2007-05-29 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Hey, I like my gaudy colors!

(But it should be possible to force lj to show you my journal in your format, I think. I'm working on the crap computer at the office and can't do much without crashing everything, but otherwise I would figure out the reset myself. Sorry.)

And do those Warriors of Innocence people have anything to do with FanLib? I doubt that. It's not like FanLib wants the Pornish Pixies crowd anyway. But no, you're not paranoid, either.

Date: 2007-05-30 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabularasa.livejournal.com
If I hit reply from gmail, I get your vomitrocious pinata, is what happens. Which I mean in a nice way.

So FanLib doesn't want/solicit explicit fics? I ask as an innocent, having stayed far away from all of it. I'm quite the Peter about all of this sort of thing -- I'm the first to turn aside, really, and say that I know not the man.

Date: 2007-05-30 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
FanLib, apparently, was shocked! shocked! to discover that fans sometimes write things that are not PG. So, no, they didn't want the likes of us.

Date: 2007-05-30 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabularasa.livejournal.com
Speak for yourself. All the stories I've ever written were circumspect, modest, well-nigh Victorian fade-to-black in their treatment of human intimacies. Or is that fade-to-Black? Anyway.

Date: 2007-05-30 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisagems.livejournal.com
*snicker*

I take it you've never read Victorian erotica, then...

Date: 2007-05-30 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Ow. The yell-ow... with hot pink across the top. You're trying to kill me.

No, they weren't surprised. The have adult fic on the FanLib site -- you have to turn off the adult filter to see it -- and their own employee [livejournal.com profile] jdsampson writes NC-17 brother incest in Supernatural fandom (I've read one of her stories).

Date: 2007-05-30 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Hot pink? Seriously? What browser are you using? Because I've modified almost all the colors in the original design, so what I see across the top is pale green, and the other boxes are various shades of yellow - mostly pale as well. So if people are seeing something other than that ... ouch, no wonder you're complaining! But that's what I see even when not logged in on all the computers I use, so ... hmmm ... browser issue, maybe? I'm still futzing around with IE and Netscape, if that helps.

Anyway, sorry for the error re FanLib, and sorry for any inadvertant bloodloss-through-eyeballs.

Date: 2007-05-30 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unperfectwolf.livejournal.com
In firefox it is BLINDING. But yes for the green, and some blue. And the text is wonky from my expage era stuff. But thats what style=mine is for :)

Date: 2007-05-30 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
I'm using IE right now (Mozilla crashed) and that yellow is a little brighter than a school bus, and that pink... yeowch. Worthy of the 80s.

No problem. FanLib I actually have learned something about. This journal deletion thing... Christ.

Icarus

Date: 2007-05-30 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinraisei.livejournal.com
Randomly butting in,

I opened up my flist to discover the explosion too. Goodness, my severely jet-lagged mind is boggled. (6hrs difference...Oh god *withers*). And I was a little iffy since that FanLib thing recently and didn't think it was real until I explored entries that link to entries upon entries and saw what was going on.

Eh, you get another vote from the 'Nah, you're not paranoid' camp. :)

Date: 2007-05-30 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
I thought of FanLib immediately. Create a big wank to distract the masses? But then I thought... FanLib's past ineptitude, it doesn't seem to fit.

Icarus

Date: 2007-05-30 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pepperjackcandy.livejournal.com
Not as a deleted comm. As an attempt to pimp out my own addiction.

Date: 2007-05-30 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolaraincoat.livejournal.com
Excellent pimping, thanks!

Date: 2007-05-30 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lump-of-clay.livejournal.com
ooh ooh! something good is coming out of this! *joins*

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